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California's Proposition 8 and bigotry

October 21, 2008 14:29 by cjmcqueen

Unless you live in the wilds and rarely log on to your Facebook account, you've probably been accosted by propaganda on California's Proposition 8.  Prop 8, which will be voted on November 4th by California residents would add this text to the State's constitution:

Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.

One line.  One sentence.  One definition of marriage.  This little addition has caused some pretty serious debate.  As well as some ugly comments, like this:


I'm using Wil Wheaton as an example, because he's generally a libral person and California resident that I respect (also, he's an intelligent person that can defend himself...)  But, his comment about bigotry (I think) is unfounded and is at the root of the problem with this entire Proposition 8 debate.  You see, saying 'Yes' on Proposition 8 is not bigotry, it's freedom of speech as equal to saying 'No' to proposition 8.  Just as firmly as I believe Marriage is only between a man and a woman, others can believe it's between anyone.  The reason I'm asking people to say 'Yes' to Prop 8. is because of presidence.

The problem with presidence, that seldom understood legal term that 'narrow minded' people tend to forget, is that it can drasticly change the direction of the country and our lives.  We can't just think about the current situation, but the possibility of litigation further down the road.  One of the initial impacts of 'gay marriage' is adoption law.  Currently, in California, there are several criteria the social worker reviews and weights when considering adoptive custody. Currently, heterosexual couples are favored over homosexual couples because a heterosexual couple can state (and prove) a length of marriage.  Now, I'm sure this sounds awful ("you don't want gay people to adopt?!?"), but I'm not saying what's wrong or right, I'm looking at how making one change extends influence on other decisions.  And, as for whether it's right or wrong for homosexuals to adopt... well, consider for a moment your life and how it might be different if your parents were gay.  This will probably reveal whether you believe homosexuality is behaviorial or genetic; and there is no scientific evidence either way (and we know what most Christians, Jews, and Muslim believe; we also know what atheists believe--who's beliefs are wrong?).

It does surprise me when people turn this into a Civil Rights issue.  Even those most acquanted with bigotry divorce the idea that homosexual marriage is a civil rights issue.  The truth is, it is not.  Homosexuality is, despite the back and forth scientific reports, a life choice.  Marriage is a priviledge; a priviledge between a man and a woman to have children and raise them together in a home.  We don't allow incorporated business to list themselve as corporations (in the strict legal sense) because they have different rights under the law?  They are different types of businesses.  They share some rights, but they are different.  And, I'm sorry, but two men or two women can not sustain life organically.  They are a different type of business.


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November 19. 2008 04:09

By your logic, do I understand that heterosexual marriages should be limited to reproductive ones? You know, in case anyone is confused by the improper labeling.

And do I also understand that the many thousands of children who have gay parents should not have the same legal protections that come with having parents who are married? How is depriving those children the same legal protections your children enjoy helping anyone?

As for who knows/believes what about whether homosexuality is a choice or is inherent, are you gay? If not, how can you know?

When I am asked when I "decided" to be gay, I respond honestly that the only decision I made was the choice to be honest. I was raised, by goodly parents in an eternal marriage, to be honest. I am grateful for that upbringing, and for the unconditional love offered me by my family of origin. Many gay folks who are similarly honest are not as lucky and blessed as am I. For your sons' sakes, I hope they are straight or I hope you soften in your unwavering stance if they are not.

cordially,
m

Mossie

November 19. 2008 04:20

And this is the divide that can't be bridged:
"Homosexuality is, despite the back and forth scientific reports, a life choice."

Do you consider your heterosexuality to be a life choice? Did you at some point wake up and say "Today, and for the rest of my life I will be attracted to members of the opposite sex."? When did you choose to be straight? Or have you always known?

Please take a hypothetical leap with me:

If homosexual relationships were the defacto standard of society and religion - could you see yourself spending the rest of your life in a homosexual marriage (and all that entails)? No? Or if yes, would it be a happy and fulfilling one? Or a marriage that at it's very foundation conflicts with what you know to be right for you?

That is my argument against homosexuality being a lifestyle choice - for the vast majority of gays and lesbians, they had no choice in the matter. They are physically attracted to members of the same sex, and simply do not find members of the opposite sex attractive. In elementary school, did you have a choice of who you had a crush on or were you just hopelessly "in love" with the girl in the third row even if it didn't make rational sense?

Now imagine if you will, that you and your wife were told by your government and your peers that you were not allowed to marry because your heterosexuality was a lifestyle choice. Or that if one of you was infertile that you would be unable to adopt a child and raise a family. Do you feel that because of your heterosexuality you should have any less right to these opportunities?

It's possible that you can shoot my argument all to heck here because you are equally attracted to men and women and for you your sexuality was something of a lifestyle choice. In that situation would you not like to be able to marry the one person who is your best match - regardless of his/her gender?

Donovan Keith

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